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What Is Dune: Awakening Items?

As you already know what Dune: Awakening is and how Solari works, you might also wondering if there is any valuable items in the Dune universe. On the deadly planet Arrakis, Solari can’t buy anything. On this planet where survival resources are extremely scarce, everyone needs to make tremendous efforts to survive. Beyond Solari, you are not only need waters and armor for survive, but also weapons, materials and vehicles to fight for your house.

What can Items do in Dune: Awakening?

On the planet of Arrakis, everything exist for a reason. whether it’s to keep you survive, power your base, or give you an edge in combat. The item system is categorized into several key subjects based on the in-game functions:


1. Materials: These are the core components used for crafting, upgrading, and building.


2. Tools: Specialized items which can be used for gathering, scanning, crafting, and more.


3. Utilities: Support items that provide functional or tactical benefits in various situations.


4. Weapons: Tools of survival, combat, give players the edge in PvE, PvP, and faction conflicts. Included traditional melee instruments to advanced ranged and support gear.


5. Vehicles & Parts: Kinds of transportation used to cross the vast desert of Arrakis and transport various items.


6. Armor: Protective gear that improves defense, resistance and survival chances.


Having enough items can keep you from being at a disadvantage when fighting for your house or trying to maintain equipment and bases.

How to Get Dune: Awakening Items?

As for how to obtain various types of items, this is a very complicated question. As we said, any resource needed for survival on the planet Arrakis is in short supply. Players need to spend a lot of energy to collect various resources all over the planet and continuously research and upgrade various technological attributes in the game to create more advanced items.


In addition to their own efforts, players can also use the currency Solari to buy the items they need from other players through the unique trading system in the game. However, this is not an easy thing for new players. The nearest trading post also needs to be reached after a certain amount of game time. As for the more advanced auction, they need to be reached by Ornithopter or spend 2500 Solari to cross the endless desert to get there. However, you will find that the items you need are undoubtedly not in high demand on this planet, and their prices remain high, often resulting in a situation where there is no market for them.


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